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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author and philosopher Jack Symes. They discuss the ability of man to conceptualize God, the arguments for and against both an evil God and a perfect God, the evidence for a transcendent good to exist, and why happiness and suffering are the wrong theological axes.

Jack Symes is a public philosopher and researcher at Durham University. Dr Symes is best known as the producer of The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast, one of the UK’s most popular higher education podcasts. Jack is also the editor of the Talking about Philosophy book series, which features contributions from some of the world’s most influential thinkers. His books include "Philosophers on Consciousness: Talking about the Mind" (2022), "Philosophers on God: Talking about Existence" (2024), "Defeating the Evil-God Challenge: In Defence of God’s Goodness" (2024), and "Philosophers on How to Live: Talking about Morality" (forthcoming).

This episode was recorded on August 4th, 2024

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:34) Intro
(3:34) Consciousness and carbon
(6:17) The philosophical view of consciousness
(7:42) The hard problem of consciousness, intelligence without agency
(12:13) Three propositions for conceptualizing the Divine
(18:33) What we can discern about the nature of God
(23:54) When God is too ineffable, the mechanics of Jacob’s Ladder
(29:56) Jordan Peterson on being an “existential Christian,” arguing for a perfect God
(34:05) Jesus’ claim: the living embodiment of the pattern, Job
(40:47) Disagreement on the conception of existence and authentic faith
(46:53) Feeling small in a massive universe — how meaning correlates
(49:57) What manifested as evidence of the “transcendent good” for Jordan Peterson
(55:11) The systemic problem of evil, evolution is at odds with a perfectly good God
(59:10) “By their fruits you will know them,” existence itself is intrinsically good
(1:04:23) The axes of happiness and suffering, Abraham and the covenant
(1:10:12) Grounding morality: environmental versus personal reasoning
(1:20:26) The “patchwork quilt” argument, the pragmatic benefit of belief
(1:27:03) Job and the prerational stance, meaning may not correspond to happiness at all



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